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Ariel Faol
“…the strongest evidence is that the sites in question are found in areas that have been inhabited by indigenous American cultures for tens of thousands of years…”
Going by that evidence then I would propose this: Avebury, Stonehenge, etc. are the same structures built in U.S. that we’re talking about, correct? If so, there were/are no Native Americans in Britain. So if the same people built the same stone circles in Britain and America it couldn’t have been the Native Americans who built them. It must be some other group.
As to evidence, you’d have to read the book I suggested by Fritz Zimmerman (he studied this topic & researched it for 14 yrs,also has a degree in archaeology from Purdue University) as there’s a lot of evidence there that other cultures came to U.S.thousands of years ago. “Mysteries of Ancient America: Uncovering the Forbidden”. Stone tablets with ancient alphabets in other languages have been found and have been declared by experts via carbon dating and the like to be from thousands of years ago. The book gives a lot of details and the author poured through 10,000 (if IIRC) old newspaper articles to obtain his information. I’ve read other accounts through the years by different researchers and authors as well about this, too, just don’t remember author’s names. It seems America has been a crossroads for many different cultures for thousands of years.
Here is a list of Zimmerman’s books – you might notice he has also studied the topic of giants in America.https://www.amazon.com/s?k=fritz+zimmerman+books+page
There’s lots of skeletons and old newspaper accounts of huge skeletons being found, some 12 ft. tall. Our Smithsonian museum here in Washington D.C. has some of these skeletons but they aren’t on display and are hidden away in their vaults. I myself have read old newspaper accounts of these skeletons being found and sent to Smithsonian, only to never hear about them again. Apparently, giants in America is a well-guarded secret but more evidence keeps surfacing lately. There have also been giants skeletons found in Malta even. It seems more likely to me that giants built these structures rather than Native Americans. They would have had the manpower and strength. Many people who are archaeologists and the like don’t believe that they were built by regular humans using pulleys etc. There have been those who presented excellent cases for this not being true. These stones weighed as much as a ton and were pulled many miles. Why would anyone do that? Why would anyone built such huge monuments if they were only 4 to 5 ft tall as we are told these ancient people were? Just some questions to think about.
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Ariel Faol.
DowrgiAvebury, Stonehenge, etc. are the same structures built in U.S. that we’re talking about, correct?
Well, they’re stones, arranged in a circle – as can be found along with other megaliths all over the world, including Britain, continental Europe – especially in Sardinia, Africa – the Senegambian stone circles in the The Gambia and Senegal, South America, Japan, and elsewhere, to name but a few examples. To say that these are the same structures could be debated in terms of style, size, and scope, nevertheless, having said that, and with all due respect to our ancient forebears, they’re stones arranged in a circle based, we think, on the natural cycles of the seasons, Sun, Moon, and stars that would have been common to cultures across the globe. The technology involved isn’t all that remarkable to put it bluntly.
So if the same people built the same stone circles in Britain and America it couldn’t have been the Native Americans who built them. It must be some other group.
Why would have to be the same people or culture that erected them? That’s a bit of a leap there. The problem with the argument here is that because something is superficially similar, it does not meant that it must have been created by the same culture. I don’t think there’s anything to back that up. For example, writing emerged in cultures that were separated in time and space from one another, with no contact, and other inventions and discoveries no doubt. Blowpipes/guns are/were used in parts of South East Asia and in Central and South America, boomerangs have been found in sites dating from Stone Age Europe, and King Tutankhamun had his own private collection apparently …
Stone tablets with ancient alphabets in other languages have been found and have been declared by experts via carbon dating and the like to be from thousands of years ago.
I’d be suspicious of any theory based on the C-14 dating of stone tablets to be honest. Nevertheless, the fact that an ancient culture may have existed with some form of written language that has since been forgotten doesn’t prove much in itself, nor does it suggest that the culture in question were non-indigenous. There are numerous undeciphered alphabets, syllabaries, and forgotten or only partially-understood languages from around the world that were indigenous at one time or another, including Cretan Linear A, Etruscan, Tartessian, Indus Valley script – even the Mayan written language was only undeciphered in the 20th century if I’m not mistaken.
Our Smithsonian museum here in Washington D.C. has some of these skeletons but they aren’t on display and are hidden away in their vaults. I myself have read old newspaper accounts of these skeletons being found and sent to Smithsonian, only to never hear about them again.
Ah, the so-called giants of the early 20th century, which either turned out to hoaxes or misidentified megafauna. If, as you assert, such remains were indeed held by some venerable institution, what would it gain from hiding them? Absolutely nothing. On the other hand, if they were indeed genuine, would it not be a major attraction and, thus, to the museum’s benefit to put them on display – as museums do with every other amazing find?
Apparently, giants in America is a well-guarded secret but more evidence keeps surfacing lately.
Not much of a secret, it would seem. I think that you need a bit more than hearsay and old newspaper cuttings to count as evidence in the truest sense of the word.
Forgive me for being sceptical.
There are giant skeletons which have been found/unearthed and there are witnesses to them. Smithsonian Institute is infamous for not being open or honest about anything. I’ve seen a newspaper article from circa 1915 where Smithsonian itself talked about giant skeletons had been found recently – but years later they denied it. They are well known for not telling the truth about what item they have or have discovered. Much of America’s history has been hiddeen and Smithsonian is one of the gatekeepers. I’ve studied this my entire life and am 69 y.o. Only 5% of what they have has ever been displayed, the rest is buried in their storehouses. This is well-known here.
DowrgiHere’s an article that debunks this …
It appears, according to the article, that these rumours started as satire …
There is still the bothersome fact that this was reported in the news many years ago I saw a photocopy of it. If you want to keep believing mainstream news/sources OK. But you won’t ever get the full truth if you don’t do some deeper research. I realized many years ago, news does NOT report accurately. I have recommended an excellent book full of factual information to you but you haven’t commented on it or checked it out you seem pretty attached to your opinions without doing further research. I’ve been a researcher for 27 yrs and have studied history for 60 yrs. Mainstream sources will never tell you the whole truth. I’m exiting this conversation as it seem no matter what I tell you, you won’t believe it. That’s fine but I’m not interested in conversing with someone who has already made up their mind and doesn’t appear to want to keep an open mind about the topic. Just my 2 cents.
DowrgiAnatomically, it would be difficult for humans to live healthily with the purported statures of these so-called ‘giants’. Leaving aside suspicions about the mainstream press or institutional cover-ups, scientific fact is scientific fact. The square-cube law was as true in the past, as it is today. Modern humans of exceptional height, often have a great number of health issues because of this, so for this reason, it is unlikely that a healthy, powerful, race of giants ever existed in the past, because biologically speaking it just isn’t feasible. Average heights decrease when you go back in time …
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John Arthur Puebla
Grey Wolf,
Thank youDowrgi,
My brother I understand your perception. I am Nat’aahendé Band Mescalero Apache and Avripia Apache. It is good that you want to be realistic about these things. However, let us not forget that the histories of many peoples the world over remember the existence of both giants and little people, many such descriptions being close and even exactly the same, with no definitive evidence of contact of any of these cultures. The major common features of such giants say that they ranged between 7′-12′ tall, had red hair, cannibalism and double rows of teeth. It seems unlikely to me that so many cultures, so far apart, could possibly have such exact descriptions if such people did not exist, regardless of the lack of physical evidence.
Let us not forget that until recently Neanderthals were considered to be inferior to homosapians, when recent archeological evidence suggests that they were not only our equals but more technologically advanced than we were during their existence; even agriculture being attributed to them.
Just as anthropologists and archeologists have made the mistake of following a narrative rather than the science of their craft in this regard, so do they still make such an error by ignoring the histories of people who they erroneously believe never invented writing or invented the wheel. This is rampant in the Americas as since before archeology was a formal discipline we have tried to tell them that Picto-writing is not art. Fundamentally Picto-writing, so-called petroglyphs or cave art, is the predecessor of phonetic writing: it’s based on the human psyche and regardless of where it is in the world it can be reasonably deciphered, with an open mind attention detail and a lot of patience. For example, if you ask anyone anywhere in the world to draw a stick man it’s going to be Fundamentally the same; if you ask someone to draw a stick mountain, as long as they know what a mountain is, they are going to draw a triangle. That’s the simple part of it. Beyond that it gets complicated because unlike phonetic writing one has to know the surrounding geography of a location, patterns in astronomy (changes in star and Constellation locations and formations if they are 10s of thousands of years old, the culture or descendants of the people who wrote it, and the environment of the surrounding area where it was written.
For example, in Nordic history, so-called Mythology, we know that Buri being licked out of the ice by Auðhumla recounts, albeit humorously, a historical even, that took place at the end of the Ice-Age when we compare the Norse creation story, and related “mythological” elements in Nordic culture to the eight legged Bison in the Cave of Forgotten Dreams. By this we know that at the end of the Ice-Age the Proto Indo-European ancestors of the Norse transformed their paradigm from a hunter-gatherer society to an agricultural society, once they had the ability to raise crops and domesticat animals.
Many of us Apache believe that the descendants of Naiishkenye (enemy slayer) cited in our history to be the father of the Whiteman, who once shared this land with us, are the Celts or the Picts. Some believe that it’s the Norse.
1. Naiishkenye was white, a headhunter and painted himself blue. Stories very of rather or not he was blonde with blue eyes.
2. The original Irish Invasions cite West from across the ocean to be the origin of the Nemedians, Parthalonians, and Tuatha De Dannon.
3. The Tuatha appear to have done things in fours, which is an American Indian trait, whereas Europeans do things in threes.
4. Oden’s ravens could plausibly be a reference to the Twin sons of Ishtandlish, being Naiishkenye and Tubajishdine, white brother a dark brother respectively.
5. Some of our stories say that the white brother went East across the ocean while others say he went west across the ocean. Both seemingly corroborating both Nordic and Celtic memory. What if the bearing bridge journey was actually in the other direction? Archeological evidence suggests that the herds traveled west while having human beings traveling east in roughly the same period. This doesn’t make sense as in such a climate not following the herds would mean certain death.
6. This would explain the striking similarities between the mound builders, with woodhenges along the Mississippi River and the hollow hills, stone and wood circles in Europe; as well as the Clovis and Solutrean points. As you yourself pointed out, the dates can be wrong.7. We have no idea of the capabilities of Paleolithic man. If their ingenuity allowed them to raise megalithic structures, than what would be to stop them from making boats that could sail across ocean? For all we know there could have been trade between continents.
8. Archeological evidence does not amount to irrefutable facts, it is what it is, evidence, and the only fact that is certain is that none of us knows for sure.
9. Archeology has long history of underestimating older Civilizations and assuming civilization amounts to urbanization.Archeology also has a history of fiercely guarding their narrative through the abuse of peer review. We, American Indians, have had to fight the Smithsonian, and other such organizations over a mountain of issues, ranging from ignoring our histories, even when they cite major cataclysms dating back 25,000 years to having the rights to the remains of our dead loved ones; until 1989, if you were American Indian they could dig up your mother’s Corps of your mother after 24 hours of being buried. I have 1st hand experience of such organizations covering up archeological digs, for a fee from developers. There are many reasons to distrust their ethics. Let us not forget that in the 19th century “Science ” and religion went to war; there are numerous motives to cover the existence of giants ranging from disproving Bible stories to the US Government stepping in because the existence of such would
cause sympathy for Indigenous people, thus thwarting expansionism. There can also be other motives which we are unaware of.Blessings
DowrgiHello John,
It’s really good to hear from you. This thread has taken some twists and turns since it was first posted by a former member. My own heritage from Cornwall is full of legends about giants as well as being full of megalithic structures, too. Generally, I think it may be the case that later peoples, all over the world, sought meaning for things they found in their landscapes that, in their time, had no obvious explanation to them and so attributed these to the fantastic and/or used abstract imagery and mythmaking to recount a greater truth, the latter being something that I think is often lost on the modern world. For example, it is said that when the Anglo-Saxons invaded Britain after the collapse of Roman power, they initially saw and feared the monuments left behind by the Romans as having been the works of giants as they had no explanation for these massive structures in stone. Likewise, throughout Britain and Ireland, the megaliths, including Stonehenge, which were left behind by previous cultures were given new explanations, origins, and used by successive cultures.
Nevertheless, I think it would be very foolish of any modern archaeologist, anthropologist, or historian to dismiss indigenous knowledge out of hand. Unfortunately, this was perhaps the attitude of many in the past – correct me if I’m mistaken, but the whole ‘North American’ settler mythologies of the 19th century did this, and, worse still, had very unpleasant undertones, too, didn’t they? Indeed, the name for the island of St Michael’s Mount in Cornwall, in the Cornish language, Karrek Loos yn Koos – the grey rock in the forest – seems to recall a time between four to six thousand years ago – long before Celtic languages appeared in Britain and when the sea level was a lot lower than it is today! Moreover, Indigenous Australian stories seem to verify events from thousands upon thousands of years ago, up to 37,000 years in one case. So, oral folklore, stories, myths, and suchlike should not be discounted or dismissed out of hand.
Bennathow (blessings)
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