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 Post subject: Re: Theology (?) of the Land
PostPosted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 11:08 pm 
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Greywolf wrote, “Re: Coryllus' idea for a Forum for Druid Online Activists. Brilliant. Make it so!”
Yes I’ll run that through the neo cortex, Greywolf. I think what is needed is some very basic focal point where information about things that threaten Druidry can be publicised. By ‘threaten Druidry’, I mean stuff like threats to sacred sites, or attempts to unreasonably curtail our activities.
I know already, that there’s absolutely no point whatsoever in trying to bring the whole of Druidry under one umbrella. The monotheists can’t get near to achieving unity, even though they used to burn alive and visit other misfortunes on dissenters. I am old enough to realise too, that appeals to reason, presume reason in place in the first case, and it can often prove to be absent. When it comes to ‘vaulting ambition’, well… I won’t say you wouldn’t believe the lengths people will go to, to obtain some title or other for their letterheads. Your acquaintance with the viaduct man exemplifies the syndrome. Though the measures some employ can prove mind bogglingly shallow, not just in Druidry, of course.
Currently we are stuck with environmental, historical and archeology sites, to make us aware of threats to our sacred places; or the hopes that someone into Druidry spots something in the press. Similarly, in order to find out about areas of exclusion or discrimination against us, such as the spiritual environment thingy, or prison visiting anomalies, we are dependent of feedback from those involved, or the untrustworthy press. Those involved, may only be active in one group or forum, so their capacity for spreading awareness is limited. I know I’m not the only one who will happily check out what is afoot with other Druid groups and organisations. Sometimes with a view to involving all possibly interested parties in protest or such action, though in my case, just to learn where people are at with Druidry, as well. I rejoined facebook, before I remembered why I joined and smartly left it last year. Some people in Druidry, are only accessible through it, but the managers must read your emails, and those of others, with their friend suggesting palaver. My recently deceased friend William, who knew more about these machines than I ever will, having among other skills the capacity to build his own, was emphatic that you may as well just put up a site with your credit card details on, as join them. I soon noticed an inordinate influx of ad emails in the box, so I deactivated. Apart from that, the whole social network thing has something of a ‘strictly come dancing’ adherent flavour about it. I won’t say I’m no snob, as I probably am in some respects; :roll: but I find many of the assumptions that are evidently made about people who use such sites, by those who run them, to be both intrusive, and heart sinkingly mundane. :( Humanity’s obvious determination to dumb itself down, can proceed without any help from me.
I think the thrust of TDN, is aimed in the right direction. But in addition to spreading awareness, which it doesn’t always seem to prioritise, it is perhaps overly ambitious in endeavouring to cover everything to do with Druidry, which is an onerous task. Though there are some wise and industrious people on board who make a most admirable effort. I have found TDN and the OBOD, Druid’s Head, forum to be extremely useful in finding my way around Druidry, as indeed I have found the BDO. I am very grateful for your honest elucidation of the history of modern Druidry, splits, schisms warts and all, which I think people coming to Druidry, do need to be alive to. Personally, I find the actual disparity quite a healthy thing. Whatever grandiose titles individuals may care to endow themselves with, I would be prepared to make a hefty wager, that there will never be a Pope, of Druidry. But I wouldn’t rule out someone calling themselves one. :lol:
Adversity can be a powerful unifying agent, albeit of a temporary nature. Once the perceived danger is past, those who formed the shield wall, can get back to happily slagging each other off, and deploying the ‘no true Scotsman’, ‘ad hominem’, and other devices of discord against each other. Inevitable features in all walks of life, which can be set aside while the job gets done. In extreme example; if someone obtained permission to flatten Stonehenge, and put up a supermarket, it wouldn’t be just the Warband, (bless em’) who would be foaming at the mouth. :x What I envisage is something that alerts all involved in Druidry, to issues that can be seen as threatening. Perhaps just a breakdown of what is afoot, along with links to already engaged or interested parties, Druid and non Druid. I don’t think that there would be any value in providing fora, for discussion of the issues or merits of any case. Indeed, such a facility might prove to be counter productive. Just a simple, straight forward, presentation of an opportunity to get involved.
Now I’m still a newbie, so despite the education I have received here and elsewhere on the structure (I use the term loosely) of Druidry today, I’m not entirely certain that my idea is a runner, or even something worth running up the flagpole? Maybe ill feeling or ideas of splendid isolation are overriding? Nonetheless, it won’t hurt me to start checking out the availability of a site, and some sort of page.
All feedback on these thoughts appreciated. If you think it’s likely to be a waste of time, please say so. Any ideas at all.
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 Post subject: Re: Theology (?) of the Land
PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 12:19 am 
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Such a site would need to draw people to it. Facebook, for all its drawbacks, is a way of 'grabbing' people. It's beyond the capabilities of any one person to keep tabs on all the events of potential interest/concern to Druids, so a site would need to attract people with their ears to the ground who are willing to post informed items along with sensible suggested actions. This is probably stating the bleedin' obvious, but sometimes that can help. If it could be set up, it could be very useful. After all, a lot of people don't get involved in campaigns to save sacred sites, etc, simply because they don't know they're under threat. They tend not to be national news items. A secondary reason is that if they do know, they don't know what to do about it. Offering both information and courses of action therefore has great potential.
I'm not computer-savvy enough to figure out how to do this kind of campaigning properly, but I'd be happy to contribute to a site ...
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 Post subject: Re: Theology (?) of the Land
PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 12:34 am 
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It's late, but let me read ponder and come back at you 8-)

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 Post subject: Re: Theology (?) of the Land
PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 11:21 am 
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In complete contradiction to what I said earlier in this thread, I’m absolutely up for a bit of a demo! After all, if there’s going to be such a campaign site (forum) as mooted, then what are we to do after the recruits are on board? (On board, as in ship, as in Greenpeace Warriors!) Druid Warriors?! Thanks to Coryllus and his incredibly inspiring plans to campaign against the wind farm on the Eishken Hills, I for one am ready to go camp on the proposed development site, in protest. (Especially after quote: “…presume reason in place in the first case, and it can often prove to be absent.” Action speaks louder etc.?) Actually, I’m going to be up there in June now, and it would be good to have some ammo under my belt by then!

Agreed, an activist forum is a fantastic idea. And I totally agree about Grey Wolf’s point that Facebook is the commodity to grab the right attention. As you’re disillusioned with that particular network Coryllus, what about a compromise and have a very prominent link on the BDO page, to a separate activist forum? That way no ‘implication’ emails would be exchanged on facebook. (Although if ‘big brother’ wants to find out what anyone’s up to, there’s not a damn thing we can do about it, even if the forum is password protected.) And anything that is projected on the forum could be announced with an alert link on the BDO facebook page. Arthur and his Warband may do an admirable job and be invaluable allies, but to be honest, I’d not even heard of him until Coryllus pointed him out, so a popular site like the BDO facebook page, which is attracting people daily, could be an invaluable launch pad.

In defence of inyourfacebook, regardless of the “assumptions and dumbing down” it’s a valuable source of connection with those that matter and of course, what’s not to appreciate about simple selectivity? 8-) If it wasn’t for that encompassing and instant source of connection, I probably wouldn’t see the beautiful photos that international friends post of their trips into nature; read about the books they recommend; be alerted to Solstice meetings etc. etc., unless we all belonged to a dozen different websites. By the way Grey Wolf, there isn’t a facility to play music on that network at the moment – you can only link to it via something like YouTube, Last.fm or your own website.

So then, shall we meet under the houses of Parliament? Don’t forget to bring a stick of gelignite ;)

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Skaya xx

p.s. welcome back Adam - you've been notable by your absence!


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 Post subject: Re: Theology (?) of the Land
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Thanks Skaya... work commitments force me to take a bit of a backseat monitoring role much of the time, but I'm liking this dialogue. Coryllus' description of a site put me in mind of something I have been meaning to do with the domain earthday.org.uk for a while but never found the time... which was to provide a place where people could post there Earth day activities... not a discussion forum or anything, just a structured way of promoting such events... the same thinking might work for Druid activist issues... am I grasping the right end of the long twiggy thing, Coryllus?

The technology for such a site would sit well with something called drupal, a content management system that allows people to sign up as users and post... see http://www.mnd2010.org for a campaign site I built with a colleague recently... the case studies linked to from the map are posted by people who have signed up to post them

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Adam: My sons and I watched Zardoz the other night. I like to confuse them occasionally. Bunny's?
Skaya: To use one of my favourite phrases: I like the cut of your jib.
Coryllus and everybody: Facebook has a group I thought looked like it might save us the trouble, called Save Our Sacred Sites - turns out it's about a specific group of sacred sites in Alberta, USA. There was a UK-based group of the same name set up about 15 years ago which may still exist, though it has a very uninspiring web-page http://people.bath.ac.uk/prsrlp/kernunos/ksoss.htm. It's a great name though, so maybe we could make better use of it?
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 Post subject: Re: Theology (?) of the Land
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TY Adam, Greywolf, everybody.
Thinking of a name is proving to be harder than I thought. Although I want it to be aimed at Druids primarily, I wouldn't want to exclude anyone who might want to pitch in. The more you involve people the greater your chances of success. Throwing stuff at the wall theory. To which end I've refacebooked. If you are shooting from the same foxhole with somebody, it doesn't really matter if you don't agree on anything other than the job in hand. You can always shoot at them from somwhere else afterwards. :lol: :lol: :lol:
No! You know what I mean, Im sure.
I'm going to look at earthday and the other links.
Mars comes out of retro on Wednesday.
I'll break some pots then. :P (Lancashire saying for leap into action)
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 Post subject: Re: Theology (?) of the Land
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Mars comes out of retro on Wednesday.

Thank goodness for that. :)
"Thank you, goodness." :roll:
And thanks for the explanation, Adam, it's now as clear as prudence suggests it needs be :D

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 Post subject: Re: Theology (?) of the Land
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I've never had the cut of my jib complimented before! You know what Greywolf, your jib looks pretty good too ;)

Is there any news forthcoming on the forum? I'm like an imminent father today! Not the birth giver, just the expectant looker on, waiting for the baby...

But as always, with love and encouraging blessings
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